I wonder what happened to ABC.
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Do you agree with this?
I wonder what happened to ABC.
What's happening to ABC? I wonder. What was supposed to be a hero arena (1.0 & 1.1), which goal is to kill heroes, became a fucking 24/7 farming arena (1.2 & 1.3), where kills cannot be achieved due to the terrain revamp (Improving terrain is okay, but making it huge is a bad idea for a hero arena).
New heroes are added, which are OP at the beginning (happens when the previous tests fail), but what about the balance? there are OP heroes that kill everything since 1.0:
-Haruhi killing everything with Sailor Form and Ultimate, tried to be rebalanced god knows how many times, but couldn't be possible, why?!
-Shiki was one of the funniest heroes imo, till 1.2 released, then his Q and W were ruined, Q unable to target anymore (Why the fuck?!) and W being too slow, making it useless, not talking about passive skill, XX% to Blink dealing 5 hits (3 on the same target) dealing 100% DMG ignoring defense?, 1k DMG means 3k on the target, nice one.
-Nanoha was the same, when 1.2 released, Q was not longer usable, since it takes ages to cast it, and targeting creeps makes them to move, meaning it does not hit all the creeps, I find this stupid.
-Akiha was OP with Default, it was nerfed, but now we have E skill, which makes her to perma stun dealing insane DMG to a single target for 10 hits, I doubt this is balanced.
I wonder, what were the previous tests for? since a lot of bugs that had to be found were not, new heroes are totally OP, I am sorry but I cannot believe nobody picked Sakura and used The Voice (Which causes extreme lag), that nobody picked Akiha and used E (Reduces MS everytime you hit, permanently), that nobody picked Saito and realized his ultimate kills everything (even without dmg items), etc.
Skills CD and DMG are totally random most of the time, a clear example is Reimu, which every Q lvl gives an extra bounce, Lvl 1 deals 100 DMG and does not bounce (total DMG 100), but lvl 2 deals 200 DMG and bounces twice and there are 2 orbs (total DMG 800), Nanoha Ultimate CD 140/120/100, what kind of balance is this? 140s CD for a 2k DMG skill, when there are Ultimates with more DMG and way less CD (Louise's Void).
I guess focusing on balancing and fixing old bugs has more priority than adding new heroes, which means more bugs and more unbalanced chars.
Conclusion: I prefer ABC 1.1 than 1.2 or 1.3, reasons below:
-Smaller map, perfect for a Hero Arena, able to gank, able to farm, what else to say?
-Less heroes, meaning less bugs, Shiki, Haruhi and Akiha were (and are right now) unbalanced, but there were just 3 imba char, and not 10 or more like 1.2 or 1.3.
-The lag difference is notable, 1.2 and 1.3 lag is just insane, Tenshi lags the whole game, 2 spells at once lag the whole game (my PC sucks, problem?), but this didn't happen @ 1.1.
ABC is being unbalanced since 1.0, but nobody said anything at all, why did nobody complain? perhaps abusing Imba chars is funny for some people, but I don't think so, those unbalancements aka OPness are not that much to be worried about at all, but the terrain is what ruins ABC to be honest, a Hero Arena became a Farming Arena.
Conclusion of what ABC should be like, and some people would agree with:
• Balanced Heroes (Atleast a bit, no more Ultimates 1 hit killing everything pl0x)
• Smaller map, allowing hero killing (1.1 map was perfect imo)
• Less lag for crap PC's.
• Doing those 3 things listed above makes the map funny.
New heroes are added, which are OP at the beginning (happens when the previous tests fail), but what about the balance? there are OP heroes that kill everything since 1.0:
-Haruhi killing everything with Sailor Form and Ultimate, tried to be rebalanced god knows how many times, but couldn't be possible, why?!
-Shiki was one of the funniest heroes imo, till 1.2 released, then his Q and W were ruined, Q unable to target anymore (Why the fuck?!) and W being too slow, making it useless, not talking about passive skill, XX% to Blink dealing 5 hits (3 on the same target) dealing 100% DMG ignoring defense?, 1k DMG means 3k on the target, nice one.
-Nanoha was the same, when 1.2 released, Q was not longer usable, since it takes ages to cast it, and targeting creeps makes them to move, meaning it does not hit all the creeps, I find this stupid.
-Akiha was OP with Default, it was nerfed, but now we have E skill, which makes her to perma stun dealing insane DMG to a single target for 10 hits, I doubt this is balanced.
I wonder, what were the previous tests for? since a lot of bugs that had to be found were not, new heroes are totally OP, I am sorry but I cannot believe nobody picked Sakura and used The Voice (Which causes extreme lag), that nobody picked Akiha and used E (Reduces MS everytime you hit, permanently), that nobody picked Saito and realized his ultimate kills everything (even without dmg items), etc.
Skills CD and DMG are totally random most of the time, a clear example is Reimu, which every Q lvl gives an extra bounce, Lvl 1 deals 100 DMG and does not bounce (total DMG 100), but lvl 2 deals 200 DMG and bounces twice and there are 2 orbs (total DMG 800), Nanoha Ultimate CD 140/120/100, what kind of balance is this? 140s CD for a 2k DMG skill, when there are Ultimates with more DMG and way less CD (Louise's Void).
I guess focusing on balancing and fixing old bugs has more priority than adding new heroes, which means more bugs and more unbalanced chars.
Conclusion: I prefer ABC 1.1 than 1.2 or 1.3, reasons below:
-Smaller map, perfect for a Hero Arena, able to gank, able to farm, what else to say?
-Less heroes, meaning less bugs, Shiki, Haruhi and Akiha were (and are right now) unbalanced, but there were just 3 imba char, and not 10 or more like 1.2 or 1.3.
-The lag difference is notable, 1.2 and 1.3 lag is just insane, Tenshi lags the whole game, 2 spells at once lag the whole game (my PC sucks, problem?), but this didn't happen @ 1.1.
ABC is being unbalanced since 1.0, but nobody said anything at all, why did nobody complain? perhaps abusing Imba chars is funny for some people, but I don't think so, those unbalancements aka OPness are not that much to be worried about at all, but the terrain is what ruins ABC to be honest, a Hero Arena became a Farming Arena.
Conclusion of what ABC should be like, and some people would agree with:
• Balanced Heroes (Atleast a bit, no more Ultimates 1 hit killing everything pl0x)
• Smaller map, allowing hero killing (1.1 map was perfect imo)
• Less lag for crap PC's.
• Doing those 3 things listed above makes the map funny.
Last edited by Aria.OwNs on 8/28/2012, 8:40 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
I totally agree with Aria - fag.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Yep, I rlly enjoyed v1,1 map :)
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Don't forget, what was once shit tier is still shit tier. COUGH GRIMMJOW TK. COUGH.
About the balance, we can suggest remakes. We can suggest buffs and nerfs but none of it means anything if it doesn't get read by the people that matter right?
And the amount of unit pauses used in the skills has increased quite a bit. Hero arenas were about the fast paced action not sitting there and casting something. But BRS is still OP as fuq. Needless to say, Reisen
I think many people feedback-ed about the map size. And apparently the solution was to increase movement speed? Maybe there was some translation error somewhere idk.
I agree with Aria that the new Shiki Q is just not fun. It just makes it irritating to lane his Q and follow up since he would be rather out of place.
But seriously, map size and listen to the feedback. Go start a op/up thread aria.
About the balance, we can suggest remakes. We can suggest buffs and nerfs but none of it means anything if it doesn't get read by the people that matter right?
And the amount of unit pauses used in the skills has increased quite a bit. Hero arenas were about the fast paced action not sitting there and casting something. But BRS is still OP as fuq. Needless to say, Reisen
I think many people feedback-ed about the map size. And apparently the solution was to increase movement speed? Maybe there was some translation error somewhere idk.
I agree with Aria that the new Shiki Q is just not fun. It just makes it irritating to lane his Q and follow up since he would be rather out of place.
But seriously, map size and listen to the feedback. Go start a op/up thread aria.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
^ TK wasn't coughing
BRS have weakness but she's hard to gank and easy to chase But there is still have weakness for her.
and balancing system...I think I revived a threat for you guys right but still don't view it until thom announces, STILL THERE IS SOMETHING NEED TO NERF.
BRS have weakness but she's hard to gank and easy to chase But there is still have weakness for her.
and balancing system...I think I revived a threat for you guys right but still don't view it until thom announces, STILL THERE IS SOMETHING NEED TO NERF.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Always something to buff, always something to nerf. And somehow shana is the baseline.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
I prefer 1.1 mainly and only because of Tenshi, since she always messed up the game after 30 mins.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
I prefer imba Shana's 1.0 Fuzetsu. Trolled likeaboss
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Yes, we notice this big mistakes..
Its actually my fault as coder and terrainer XD
But don't worry we'll do update/month (for 1.4.1 the deadline is early october)
So there will no yearly stupid mistakes...
and we'll focus on removing bug than adding more feature
(About the lag is because ..
I changing my code from normal GUI(1.0 ~ 1.1) to JASS (1.2 ~ 1.3)
.. because JASS is powerful, but I'm not really mastered it at 1.2
... now I'm being better at JASS I hope its only about time to remove those bug)
I'm already changing the terrain as small as 1.1
Gomenasai mina-san, especially for Aria!
Its actually my fault as coder and terrainer XD
But don't worry we'll do update/month (for 1.4.1 the deadline is early october)
So there will no yearly stupid mistakes...
and we'll focus on removing bug than adding more feature
(About the lag is because ..
I changing my code from normal GUI(1.0 ~ 1.1) to JASS (1.2 ~ 1.3)
.. because JASS is powerful, but I'm not really mastered it at 1.2
... now I'm being better at JASS I hope its only about time to remove those bug)
I'm already changing the terrain as small as 1.1
Gomenasai mina-san, especially for Aria!
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
What about others?
What about me?
What about everything we've been through together?
What about us?
Anyway, I wonder who voted "no".
What about me?
What about everything we've been through together?
What about us?
Anyway, I wonder who voted "no".
Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Me! *raises no-fag*
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Actually this was almost extra topic but for some reason it's worth to post lolol
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
Go put in some balance suggestments at aria's balance thread because I am too lazy at the moment to play enough abc.
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Re: I wonder what happened to ABC.
OmegaSui wrote:What about others?
What about me?
What about everything we've been through together?
What about us?
Anyway, I wonder who voted "no".
Deckai wrote:Gomenasai mina-san
It's referring to everyone >.<''
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