[Gameplay] Magic resistance

I think that basic spell damage reduction should be removed

now in the mid-end of games almost
physical attack hero are favorable

and almost items are used to attack or defence.

since this game's Visual effects are powerful
the major damage output should be spell in this game

so I think remove basic spell damage reduction or
adding some items for increaseing spell damage.

in fact,I have more detail to say but my English is poor.

it's a pity......

about your post on wrong section. i already delete it..

alright we will try to do something about this.. thanks for the report..

sorry
in 1.1 there is no fixed item about this I see

is there any fixed item about this?

sorry we totally forgot, we will update it on 1.2

Offtopic: Love the avatar dude :))

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for the detail of all the skill ^^

------------------(CURRENT SPELL DAMAGE DETAILS)-----------------------------

(as far as I know Chaos Uknown which is deals pure damage)
(Maximal reduction for Uknown type damage is half)
(Normal type damage reduced greatly)

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Akiha

=> Tori wa otosu (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Tsuki wo Ugatsu (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Shishi wo Kogasu Ignition damage (Chaos,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)
=> Kakuyaku Momiji (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Sekishuu Origami Initial target damage (Chaos,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)



Black Star

=> Madness (none)
=> Star Chain (Spells,Uknown)
=> Darklimb (none)
=> Black Star Big Wave (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Gumero (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Infinity (Chaos,Uknown)



Grimmjow

=> Hiero (none)
=> Rush (Hero,Uknown)
=> Sonido (none)
=> Granray Cero (Spells,Normal)
=> Pantera (none)
=> Desgaron (Chaos,Uknown)



Haruhi

=> Boredom (none)
=> Vanishing Pressence (Spells,Uknown)
=> Time Loop (none)
=> Sailor Form (none)
=> Arcane Field (none)



Ichigo

=> Shunpo (none)
=> Getsuga Tenshou (normal & kuroi)(Chaos,Uknown)
=> Reiatsu Overflow (Spells,Normal)
=> Bankai (none)
=> Hollow Mask (none)



Avenger

=> Ferocity (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Verg Avesta (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Spirit of Pure Evil (none)
=> Tawrich & Zarich (none)
=> False Reality of the Temp Loop(none)



Kanade

=> Hand Sonic (none)
=> Howling (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Delay (none)
=> Distortion (none)
=> Harmonic (none)



Konata

=> Otaku Knowledge (none)
=> Copycat (none)
=> RAM Transmute (Spells,Normal) Danmaku(Spells,Uknown) Gugnir(Spells,Uknown) Frozen Link(Spells,Normal)
=> Otaku Beam (Spells,Uknown)
=> UOW Impact & DPS (Spells,Normal)



Louise

=> Zero (Spells,Normal)
=> Fireball (Spells,Uknown)
=> Explosion (Spells,Uknown)
=> Dispell Damage Bonus & Hit (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Void (Chaos,Uknown)



Black Rock Shooter

=> Blue Framed Eye (none)
=> Rapid Fire (Spells,Normal)
=> Block (none)
=> Chain Action (Spells,Uknown)
=> Black Rock Cannon (Spells,Uknown)



Miku

=> Leek (Chaos,Normal)
=> Mahou Negi (Spells,Normal)
=> Resonance (none)
=> Disonance (Spells,Normal)
=> Beats of Music (Spells,Normal)



Nanoha

=> Flash Move (none)
=> Axel Shooter (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Protection (none)
=> Divine Buster (Spells,Uknown)
=> Starlight Breaker (Spells,Uknown)



Reimu

=> Limit Call (none)
=> Concealed Orbs of Light (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Divine Spirit (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Piercing Amulets (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Fantasy Heaven (Spells,Normal)



Shana

=> Release/Unrelease Wing (none)
=> Fire Release (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Blazing Strike (Spells,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)
=> Fuzetsu (none)
=> Tenpa Jyousai (Chaos,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)



Shiki

=> Assasinate (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Seisou Rookusagi (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Seisaya Hachitensou (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Sensou Suigetsu (Hero,Uknown)
=> Sensa Meigokushamon (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Kyokushi Nanaya (Chaos,Uknown)



T.K

=> Head Spin (Chaos,Uknown)
=> I.. Kiss.. You.. (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Dancing in the Shadow (none)
=> Precision (Chaos,Normal)
=> Knockin 'on Heavens Door (Chaos,Uknown)



Yuuji


=> Reiji Maigo (none)
=> Energy Slash (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Blutsauger (Hero,Uknown)
=> Sonzai no Chikara (none)
=> Silver Fireball (Chaos,Uknown)



Alastor (Spells,Normal)

thank you for giving all skill damage detail

I am surprised that many skill are chaos or normal type

Skill dmg should be pure in arena maps, right?

yes

the skill real damage to hero should be same with the words
the spell and normal type skills real damage to hero
are less than written damage

But even with the reduction I still find myself getting pretty beat up (Miku) by that insane att speed and bashing from sakabato (not to mention her disabling combo)

That has nothing to do with the related topic's issue.

Sry I'm not sure what it means but I took at that the chars have basic magic resistance, in which case I think you should heighten the hp because of the above reasons. Hope you can explain what is going on if I still don't get it sry

What do you mean? What are you talking about ?

Magic resistance has nothing to do with disable effect, just the damage.

I know but Miku's disable efects comes with damage, and currently other chars (Nanoha) have quite some heavy dmg as it is

Firstly

But even with the reduction I still find myself getting pretty beat up (Miku) by that insane att speed and bashing from sakabato (not to mention her disabling combo)

Irrelevant. You get beat up by atk speed -> Physical, while we're talking about magic damage.
Secondly

I took at that the chars have basic magic resistance, in which case I think you should heighten the hp because of the above reasons

Why do heroes with basic magic resistance (25 or 50% whatever , Blizzard ; 10% - Izumi) need to have their HP heightened ? HP Balls? Actually, you made no sense in your post.

I know but Miku's disable efects comes with damage, and currently other chars (Nanoha) have quite some heavy dmg as it is

Confusion is really confusing. Yes the skill has damage, your point ? Other heroes have heavy damage, cuz they're nuker , your point? I still don't get what you're trying to say, or how this is related to the main topic.

im going to throw this out here. many characters that are spell based usually can successfully battle late game, and not to mention the fact that their early game skills are incredibly powerful. IMO nerfing spell reduction would be a hilarious waste of time. HOWEVER, im totally up for the idea that buffs spells... you know.. something like a stronger alastor? or maybe secret shop has special individual spell upgrades? Cuz than that would benefit all the characters not just a few. Srry if its off topic a lil... stream of consciousness

Louise won't be happy with those buffs. NOT HAPPY!
Spell upgrade? Ultimate or specific identical skills, ok.

meh i would say it would depends on the character... or maybe you can buy multiple different spell upgrades for your hero. For Example: shiki can get "Mystic Eyes of Death Perception" increasing his sensou suigetsu (if thats wat its called) by giving it a chance to do additional damage or watever. Or shana can get "Empatsu No Shakugan" which can iunno release flames wen she swaps forms or maybe lower alastor cast time?

Lol I'm getting confused big time, ok ok, archimage asked to get rid of the basic magic resistance from the characters, in which case we would need something to balance that out, that's what I meant @.@

Your first post is about physical fking you up.
Your second post is about how heroes have paper HP and you want to boost it.
Your 3rd post is actually meaningless. At late game physical damage dealing b*tches have insane atk speed or damage that auto attack can kill.

Removing basic magic resistance from heroes (NOT CHARACTERS) and related discussions are pointless, as most of the powerful skills in the map are Chaos attack type with Uknown damage , which totally neglect resistance.

Ah ok ok I'm srsly mind fucked. I'm gonna stop commenting here seeing I don't get it lol

IloveTsundere wrote:meh i would say it would depends on the character... or maybe you can buy multiple different spell upgrades for your hero. For Example: shiki can get "Mystic Eyes of Death Perception" increasing his sensou suigetsu (if thats wat its called) by giving it a chance to do additional damage or watever. Or shana can get "Empatsu No Shakugan" which can iunno release flames wen she swaps forms or maybe lower alastor cast time?

there's no way shana is getting "Empatsu No Shakugan" since that's her title not a skill nor a items (and the correct name is "Enpatsu Shakugan no Uchite"). though maybe getting a "Nietono no Shana" that still reasonable.

Deckai wrote:Shana

=> Release/Unrelease Wing (none)
=> Fire Release (Chaos,Uknown)
=> Blazing Strike (Spells,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)
=> Fuzetsu (none)
=> Tenpa Jyousai (Chaos,Uknown) Burn damage (Spells,Normal)

is both type of blazing strike (flying and walking) the same damage type? (spells,unknown)?

Uknown, not Unknown.

"Nietono no Shana" , is that the name of her sword? I think i've heard this name from a PSP game.

it is Unknown lol xD. And yea nietono no shana is the swords name.

Uknown is the variable's name. Or so i thought, my friend said so, i saw so, Deckai said so...oh shjt.